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Poland: TVP proposes international jury for Eurovision
TVP have submitted a proposal to the EBU, regarding changes in the voting system, which they feel will help in the direction of diminishing the impact of neighbourly voting on the outcome of the contest and place more emphasis on the artistic value of the song. The Polish broadcaster proposes, among other things, the introduction of an international jury similar to the one used in the Eurovision Dance Contest.
Aneta Wrone, TVP spokesperson, announced that any decision on whether Poland will participate in the next Eurovision Song Contest will be taken after the EBU has announced new rules and will depend on whether those are in accordance with the Polish proposal. She also stressed that any decision to withdraw will have nothing to do with the political situation between Russia and Georgia. It is also natural to assume that the decision will also be influenced by the fact that Poland has recently won the Eurovision Dance Contest and TVP are considering the possibility of organising the 2009 EDC on home ground after an enquiry by the EBU.
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Jonny
And did you like "alla flickor" ? (What happened to your profile? Euro Sheep and now you.)
Jonny
No, it sounded awful but at first I thought Lordi were experimenting 
Jonny
You said some time ago that you could hear "For life" streaming out of your computer. The same thing happened to me. I was watching a video with Lordi on youtube and suddenly I heard classical music in the background. I closed all programmes but I could still hear that piece by Franz Liszt playing I don't know where it came from, never listened to it before.
That's the spirit poland! this facade calling voting must change i am just surprised that the countries has took it sitting down until now
Poland however managed to win EDC despite the fact that there were 4 ex soviet countries in the contest and if the voting was such a 'facade' one of them should have won easily.
That's the spirit poland! this facade calling voting must change i am just surprised that the countries has took it sitting down until now....
let's face it Turkey Russia Armenia and their "Partners in crime"
will be in the top no matter what they will send because when you have 10 times "12 points" for sure it's not a fair game.
some actue drastic action should be taken now and as "Ulrika Victim" said in 1965 "Het is genoeg!"
Jonny
Yes, "Got me like oh" is very good. It was you who recommended Gia to me
you are all missing the point here and that's something to worry about! The fact that an international jury was introduced in EDC is absolutely irrelevant with ESC. A dancing routine has to follow some rules, there is the term "techinque". On the other hand we have songs. What makes someone an expert to judge a song? That's very subjective. Songs are all about taste while dancing is all about skills and THAT can be judged.
Poland and indeed any other country that has felt the iron heel of Russian/Soviet imperialistic rule should withdraw from any ESC held in Moscow. Especially on political grounds, of course.
Also all other countries that see the ESC as a musical event should withdraw if the EBU fail to change the voting system and put an end to the scandalous diaspora voting that is threatening to distroy our beloved contest.
Jonny
I hope the Swedish diaspora is as honest.
As this is a Polish article; I was just listening to Gia Farrell's "Hit me up" and at first I couldn't figure out which ESC song it sounded like. Then I realised that it was the 2007 Polish entry "Time to party" 
Don't you agree.
How about sending decent songs to ESC instead of demanding everybody play under their rules???!!!
I think an international jury is an interesting concept. If you have members from enough diverse countries, any bias would be negated in theory.
If Australia was to vote, I'd be surprised if the UK featured in the top 3, with the likely beneficiaries being Greece, Croatia and Serbia, with maybe Malta, Ireland and Albania as outside chances, if we assume "100% diaspora" voting. But how any jury would vote in reality depends on who gets picked.There's 21 million Australians to choose from - and you want the views of just 12 (Or maybe even just 2 if we were part of an international jury).
And that's why jury votes were often so unpredictable, because no matter what the attitude of the country was towards another, such a small group of people meant that "large-scale" statistical bias was less prevalent. Yes, yes...what about all the songs sung in English you will all cry! Yes, there was often some bias towards those (not always undeserved) but the bias was seemingly carried forward into televoting as well, given that since the rule was changed in 1999, only 1 song not in English has won, so jury members were perhaps "in tune" with Europe on that front at least.
@filipi ramos: learn history cause you're making prejudices now.
Well, withdraw then - the international EDC jury had been horrible ! Why on earth does TVP ask for such a jury, as Poland was not the fav. of the jury and only won because of the televoting - so, if I were TVP, the conclusion would be : jury bad, televoting good !
Luís Almeida
I dout the Arabs will vote for Israel.
Please ppl be serious. International jury would never work, and not to mention that sounds more than ridiculous...
Do you honestly believe competing countries would agree for jury to be from China or I don't know Peru that will give votes to Eurovision (European music show). Look at ESC 1968 and ask yourself do you want nother voting result like this. It has been 40 years since Cliff Richard come 2nd in Eurovision ppl are still talking about he being robbed. Like I said jury can't be trusted this importand job.
On the other hand BEST solution in my opinion would be ONE VOTE PER CALL... I think this should solve many problems.
First of all you can't convince entire poputlation to vote for one song, and noone can tell me that there are more Turkish ppl in Germany than Germans. From there we can see that Turkish ppl vote more often and that's how we have every year 12 pts from Germany to Turkey... But one vote per call could stop this for sure.
As for other things Cyprus giving 12 pts to Greece, Montenegro giving 12 pts to Serbia, I don't think this could change.
I am using Montenegro and Serbia exmple now... Serbian singers are most known in Montenegro, but even so when contest ends and Eurovision is far behind us when you come to Montenegro you will hear most played song from Eurovision is from Serbia... the country we give them 12 pts..So on one had this voting is jutyfied. And I believe same thing is in Cyprus with Greek song and so on....
And we should all remamber it's not 8, 10 and 12 pts that makes country succesful. If that is so Russia wouldn't win with pts from just ex Soviet Union. Serbia wouldn't win with only ex YU pts (I am taking example, Serbia won with 268 pts and from ex YU they got 60 pts... where are all this 200 pts come from ??? )
So as I say every pts is meter, and best example of it is Norway this year in Belgrade... They didn't get many high pts (except from Nordic) but they got pts from all over Europe and finished in 5th place...
I hope jury wont come back, it would be such injustice. Instead I hope for ONE VOTE PER CALL system and I think this might work out...I am almost sure.
Pozdrav !!!
Jonny
Sorry, my previous post was maybe a bit confusing. Tony was our British expert commentator and then we had a Swedish commentator as well.
That's a great idea, but which countries should vote? Wouldn't those votes be biased too, for other reasons? Ex-colonies, interests... North America would vote for France, UK and Spain; South America for Spain (yes, even Brazil would - they hate our guts), Africa would vote for Portugal, France and the UK; Asia for the UK, Russia and France; Oceania for the UK and France...
Probably only the Arabs would be more neutral....
There's always the risc of political voting that, in my opinion, can only be controled through the jury. I know it isn't perfect, but there aren't better options.
Correction!
@ Jonny
That would do nicely for UK as they a pert of the Commonwealth!!! Also Canada would give France and other Franch speeking countries some points!!!
@ JonnyT
hat would do nicely for UK as they a pert of the Commonwealth!!! Also Canada would give France and other Franch speeking countries some points!!!
IMO Yu-Ru-Vision (better known as Eurovision Song Contest) should be divided in two:
The Eurovision Song Contest that would be made of all countries that have been participating before 1992;
The Yu-Ru-Vision Song Contest that would be made of all countries that have been participating since 1993 (sorry for Hungary, that isn't neither former yugoslavian neither russian mafia)
So, that there would be no so much diaspora as it is now ...
Slovakia, Luxembourg and Italy - please come back.
Although perhaps it would be OK if the juries came from countries like Australia, Canada or Mexico . .
OMG Jonny! Australia and Canada? There are GREEKS living there..how could you even mention those countries? LOLLLLLL
Aslo the countries in semi final 1 and 2 and in the final only votes!
My idea would have the countries drawn with an odd number only televotes and the countries drawn with an even number only have jury votes! This would apply to all the semis and final!!
I'd personally like to see an international jury, but wise up!even its memebers would let them go by political stuff, affection towards some countries...
by the way, can't understand how Poland can complain!!!it's from Eastern Europe..
Jonny
Tony said the same thing about Denmark. They didn't include any of the required elements. He thought that Finland deserved the 12 points from the jury.
When the Swedish commentator said "shouldn't you be rooting for The UK" he answered "why should I, because I come from England? No." That's British diaspora for you
The simpler, the better.
Songs shouldn't be described with names of the countries the represent and commentators would not be allowed to mention the country as well. Also, no country flags on outfits or other straight information. Songs should be just numbers the vote for.
Possible advantage: Majority of televoters doesn't give much of a interst in the contest before it takes place, so no worry than the homeland of each song will be widely known (under regulations mentioned above). People will vote for the song!
Possible diadvantage: It is likely to have 10 songs in Armenian and another 15 in Russian hoping to benefit from diaspora voting. However, it would be fun
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Jonny
You've got a point there. I didn't trust the jury in EDC. Our expert commentator disagreed with them more than once
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